Interview with Richard Taylor

Interview with VOTF Phila. member Richard Taylor, author of a forthcoming book Love in Action. Dick’s book is available in manuscript form for $10 sent with your mailing address to Richard Taylor, 609 East Allens La., Phila., PA 19119. Dick is distributing his text in this way to get feedback prior to seeking a publisher in 2006.


There is a growing perception that fear has taken hold among laity and that Catholics are, generally speaking, fearful of repercussions – either spiritual or practical – and therefore are reluctant to seek reform in a pro-active manner. Do you think Catholics suffer more from fear or uncertainty/ignorance about their role in the governance and guidance of the Church?

In the past, when it came to speaking up in a way that challenged the Church, fear certainly was the predominant emotion. People feared repercussions, for themselves and their parishes. What I’m hearing more now, however, is not fear, but anger, outrage and grief. Because the bishops have been so complicit in covering up the abuse, they have lost a lot of the credibility they had formerly. People’s anger and their abhorrence of what so many bishops did is pushing them to be willing to speak and act in ways they wouldn’t have in the past. They’re starting to live out St. Augustine’s adage, “Hope has two lovely daughters: anger and courage. Anger at what’s wrong; courage to set it right.”

I spoke to an 82-year-old, lifelong Catholic just recently. She was so totally upset about what’s happened in the Church. She faulted the bishops’ cover up even more than the abuse itself. When I told her that local VOTF was going to have a procession and prayer vigil in front of Cardinal Rigali’s mansion on Nov. 5, she said, “I’d love to be there, but at 82 I’m not sure I could walk very far.” I said, “It’ll be about a half mile.” She said, “Oh, I can make that. I hope I can be there.”

This is one reason that I have so much faith in gospel nonviolence. It channels anger into constructive action. It gives people a way to be courageous without have to strike out in hostility or violence.

Recent releases of scathing documents and/or summaries in Los Angeles and Philadelphia underscore the day to day reality of abuse and its management by Church leadership. In a faith grounded in love, forgiveness and justice, how can Catholics best honor all three? How can Church leadership best honor all three?

“Scathing” certainly is the right word. So long as people were hearing that 5% or so of priests did the abuse, they could think, “That’s terrible, but the bishops can fix it.” But when they learned from the Grand Jury report that the bishops honored and promoted and moved around priests with known records of sex abuse, they saw that the bishops were as much the problem as the priests. As someone said, “They didn’t rob the bank, but they drove the imperil car.”

In light of these revelations, people ask themselves, “Should I just leave the Church?” (Several of my good friends have done just that.) “Can I do anything but complain and bear it?” What I love about gospel nonviolence is that it gives a third way – the options are not just “submit or leave.” The third is “resist.” Nonviolent action give a way of resisting that honors the values you mentioned – love, forgiveness and justice.

I had the honor and privilege of being one of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr’s field staff in the late 1960’s. I attended retreats and planning meetings with him and joined him in actions. It gave me a first-hand look at the power of nonviolence to overcome entrenched, centuries-long, carefully-rationalized structures of segregation and white supremacy. It was out of that and other experiences with nonviolent direct action that I wrote my book, “Love in Action: A Direct Action Handbook for Catholics Using Gospel Nonviolence to Reform and Renew the Church.” (For a copy, send $10 to Richard Taylor, 609 E. Allens La., Phila., PA 19119.) It describes the philosophy and theology of gospel nonviolence, outlines a 12-step process for building an effective nonviolent campaign, and gives 82 different methods of nonviolent action that are applicable to Church reform and renewal. It also gives nearly 200 illustrations of how the methods have been used by ordinary people (not just Gandhi and Dr. King) in the past, plus 40-some suggestions for how these methods can be used by us today.

How can Church leaders honor love, forgiveness and justice? By admitting that they’ve allowed terrible things to happen and by inviting the laity to have a real voice in Church decision-making. They can’t make it without us. If we – moms and dads, aunts and uncles – had been at the table of decision-making in the 1980’s, when Fr. Tom Doyle warned the bishops about the time bomb of widespread sexual abuse, you can bet that we would not have swept it under the table. We would have dealt with it immediately and forcefully. These are our children!

The bishops need us. As NCR’s Tom Roberts said, it’s as though the bishops are sinking in quicksand, and the laity are standing around with ropes, offering to pull them out, and they’re saying, “Oh, no, we can handle this ourselves.”

When dialogue fails on the parish and/or diocesan level, what is the laity to do in a pro-active way without alienating other Catholics who prefer silence, prayer and hope as a path to reform?

I hope and trust that my book, Love in Action, will provide a bunch of ideas for pro-active efforts. Also, people who are open to the Holy Spirit’s guidance are endlessly creative. I’m sure they’ll be led to many new approaches not mentioned in my book. VOTF around the country has already started using these methods to great effect – the Rockford, IL meeting in banned space, the parish occupations in Boston, etc.

With regard to alienating other Catholics, we have to face the reality that no strong social movement has ever developed without alienating some people. If you read about the early Montgomery Bus Boycott, you’ll see all the opposition Dr. King faced from other ministers and civil rights leaders who thought his methods were too radical. We just have to stay in loving dialogue with those who initially are alienated, explaining what we’re doing and why, showing that we really love the Church and affirm the faith.

Discernment is a longstanding practice in Christianity. Would discernment be a good tool for introducing thoughtful conversation around any or all of the above – both for those fully committed to active engagement in Church reform and those not ready to do so?

In my book, “Love in Action,” I draw heavily (implicitly and explicitly) on the concept of discernment, e.g., as a way to decide whether or not one is ready to join direct action, as a way to choose the most appropriate actions, etc.

What in your Quaker foundation, if anything, do you bring to your book, to your understanding and care for the Catholic Church?

Quakerism has a rich heritage of social concern and active nonviolence. I first “cut my teeth” in nonviolent Quaker demonstrations way back in the ‘50’s. I’ve been delighted by how warmly Catholics have welcomed the gifts and experience I received as a Quaker.



In the Vineyard
November 3, 2005
Volume 4, Issue 15
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